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Would you mind telling me where I can find those market?Disc brakes are nice but it doesn't automatically make rim brakes obsolete. There might be good deals to be found on the used or new old stock market.
Yes, spending other people's money feels great. Your recommendation (with the caveats) of the Allez is great. Another one could be the CAADX or CAAD12/13 from Cannondale, which should be in plentiful supply.I do like these hypothetical bike buying threads
Allez a good choice if he is not in town traffic too much. Not so good for fenders or racks etc.If you wanted a proper road bike because you like going fast, there's always the Allez.
I do like these hypothetical bike buying threads
budget and size constraints I'm not so sure.CAADX or CAAD12/13 from Cannondale, which should be in plentiful supply.
I should have been more precise: when it comes to used models, you are right. But Cannondale and Trek are the two big brands that are quite ubiquitous and the CAADX or CAAD13 are widely available in larger sizes (although you will have to order them).budget and size constraints I'm not so sure.
If you have N bikes with N > 1, you may be right. But most normal people (think of the opposite of @bloaker) only have a single bike to do it all.I don't understand the fuss about disc brakes on a bike primarily intended for commuting within Tokyo. Even single-pivot caliper rim brakes should be fine as long as they're set up right and the pads aren't ancient. But what you'd get would instead be dual-pivot calipers or V-brakes: even better. I'm 75 kg or so and have no problems with rim brakes in Tokyo. (Admittedly I don't ride either during heavy rain or through slush, but neither to most people.) My rim brakes don't require special care in transit, they don't squeal, and (not that I'm much interested) they weigh less than disc brakes.
If you have N bikes with N > 1, you may be right. But most normal people (think of the opposite of @bloaker) only have a single bike to do it all.
No need to be ashamed. I'd have three if my wife didn't forbid me from having more than twoYes, I ride any of three bikes. [Hangs head in shame.]
That and much better modulation (in part due to feedback) is the difference, not stopping power. On a road bike stopping power is limited by your tires and hands, but not your brake power.Coming down from Umenoki yesterday, my hands did get tired and they'd have been a lot less tired if I'd instead had hydraulic disc brakes.
I'm coming from the world of mountain biking and I bought my first disc brake bike over 15 years ago (either 2004 or 2005, not sure). No way I am going back to rim brakes, even for commuting, but that's just me.The dazed bike buyer is persuaded that disc brakes are a must. If this depresses the demand for and price of bikes with rim brakes, good. (As for the notion that rim brakes will soon be obsolete and parts unobtainable. I don't buy it. Not when I consider that you can still buy 126 mm rear hubs, "27-inch" [=630] tyres, etc etc.)
Given my background, I have to say the brake feel of all rim brake bikes I have tried recently was a reminder to me how far we have come (which is, admittedly, only two in the last two years, SRAM Force and Shimano Ultegra). Stopping power was alright, but it was just 0 or 1 and I had zero feedback from the brake (because cables can only be pulled and not pushed, unlike hydraulic fluid).They all have rim brakes. […] (I greatly prefer the feel of the old ones; but that's because I find their cheapo Dixna levers far more comfortable than Tiagra brifters.)
I don't understand the fuss about disc brakes on a bike primarily intended for commuting within Tokyo.
And a few years earlier we had friction shifters, which worked just fine. They also allowed us to shift, no? You didn't even have to twiddle with the cable tension to make sure shifts happen properly. Maintenance was so much easier back then. Once you learnt how to shift properly, you could do it in your sleep. Who needs these STI levers anyway? The shift mechanism in STI levers literally got rusty from all the sweat and I couldn't shift any longer — that wouldn't have happened with friction shifters.But shtum: Don't tell everyone! I'm delighted to read yet more criticism of rim brakes. As riding a bike with rim brakes (even for commuting) comes to be regarded as reckless, even mad, I can expect the prices ofgood oldsuicidal old bikes equipped with rim brakes to keep falling.
And a few years earlier we had friction shifters, which worked just fine.