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Uh, "...the company's speed-based payment program led to the fatality."20-25km/hr is hardly high speed… I guess it's high enough to knock someone over with some force.
this isn't the first time they've charged a road bike rider in a case like this. Not having the right safety gear seems to be a factor in the charging.
AFAIK these services don't even provide insurance for their riders. (I remember someone here posting about an accident they had with a delivery cyclist.) Agreed that this is just empty BS corporate speak to wiggle out of the situation.If you fall from a standing/stationary position, your head can take quite a whack. Eg, drop a melon from head height.
Uh, "...the company's speed-based payment program led to the fatality."
And a couple further comments like that, but then the company skates free saying they'll improve something or other? (maybe "Our riders are contractors", or some such BS)
In their defense, nobody has trained them not to do that, either. I find it staggering that UberEats, the company, is not held culpable in any way for this and similar incidents. It doesn't train, protect, insure or otherwise take responsibility for its indentured workers other than to pay them the minimum amount they can get away, yet benefits enormously from their labors and is seemingly permitted to escape accountability whenever the inevitable happens and something goes wrong. Ludicrous situation for mine, and extremely irritating.I've seen a few food delivery by bike guys up here in Aomori and they break the road rules a lot. Riding against traffic, ignoring lights, looking at devices while riding to save a few seconds. It's a tough gig but no one made them do it.
Liability isn't the same as responsibility. Requiring companies to insure their delivery cyclists and drivers protects people and should be a no brainer. And those accidents remind me of air crashes caused by e. g. fatigued pilots. Yes, perhaps the pilots ultimately were the ones to make the mistake, but to prevent or reduce the number of accidents, new rules and regulations were put in place for the companies. The same should happen here.He was employed as a delivery person and that is when the accident occurred. It was dark and it was raining and the cyclist with rain on his glasses decided to not turn on a light? The deceased had SFA chance avoiding getting hit. Hard to have much sympathy for the person indicted.
That sounds like a lot of Japanese cyclists. Cyclists riding on the road against traffic is one of my pet peeves. But it is hardly a thing specific to delivery cyclists, I have seen obaachans doing it, school children doing it, teens doing it and adults doing it. I'd say it is something most Japanese don't seem to learn or at least take seriously.I've seen a few food delivery by bike guys up here in Aomori and they break the road rules a lot. Riding against traffic, ignoring lights, looking at devices while riding to save a few seconds. It's a tough gig but no one made them do it.
I'm not seeing it, the cyclist broke the law and killed someone, how is UE insuring the cyclist going to prevent accidents?Liability isn't the same as responsibility. Requiring companies to insure their delivery cyclists and drivers protects people and should be a no brainer.
fatigue induced mistakes and wilful disregard of laws are two very different things, and that is what you are conflating here aren't you?Yes, perhaps the pilots ultimately were the ones to make the mistake, but to prevent or reduce the number of accidents, new rules and regulations were put in place for the companies. The same should happen here.
hence the need for some time in prison after and actual enforcement of the laws before an accident happens. Cops are good at targeting foreign looking ppl and young kids on bikes, maybe they shouild start pulling up the salarymen and mamas.I'd say it is something most Japanese don't seem to learn or at least take seriously.
pretty sure UberEats say follow the law. Beyond that how much can a company do? I'm no fan of uber eats.and I think they are like many gig econmy providers, not model organisations.In their defense, nobody has trained them not to do that, either
Two things: if the company has to take part of the responsibility, they will put pressure on couriers to stick to laws. The second thing is that the victims or the victims' families need to get reimbursed for damages. If some student doesn't have bicycle insurance or the insurance does not cover everything, the victims get less of a payout.I'm not seeing it, the cyclist broke the law and killed someone, how is UE insuring the cyclist going to prevent accidents?
Sounds like an American attitude to me (no offense), a lot of focus on the individual, very little to no focus on society. I am not saying the individual is without fault or responsibility. I'm saying that it makes a difference whether you are a traffic participant in a commercial context or a private context — a taxi driver is different from you driving your car to the grocery store. It is also the same reason why taxis in most countries I am aware of are subject to a much stricter inspection regime than regular cars.Individual responisibilty starts as soon as you ride or drive a vehicle in a public space. I worked for a government ofice and when in the car I was covered by it's insurance but I still had to pay the speeding tickets myself. How would additional regulation or insurance stop cyclists taking risks when general road laws can't?
I'm not conflating anything. I'm just claiming that couriers should be covered by the same legal construction of liability and insurance than e. g. airline pilots.fatigue induced mistakes and wilful disregard of laws are two very different things, and that is what you are conflating here aren't you?
Don't get me started. And those taxi drivers who use a lane as a parking spot. (Yes, I know, since they switch on their emergency blinkers, it is technically legal …) But that isn't the question here.Cops are good at targeting foreign looking ppl on bikes, maybe they shouild start pulling up the salarymen and mamas.
Yes, but we are criticizing the current state of the law.pretty sure UberEats say follow the law. Beyond that how much can a company do? I'm no fan of uber eats.and I think they are like many gig econmy providers, not model organisations.
that makes senseTwo things: if the company has to take part of the responsibility, they will put pressure on couriers to stick to laws. The second thing is that the victims or the victims' families need to get reimbursed for damages. If some student doesn't have bicycle insurance or the insurance does not cover everything, the victims get less of a payout.
contractors aren't employees. Contractors should however have their own insurance and in Tokyo I'm pretty sure cycle insurance is mandatory.I think it is very simple logic that employees should in the line of work be covered by insurance. If the employee acted totally recklessly (e. g. by driving drunk), then their employer would have a case against the (former?) employee. With that legal construction the victim (or their family) always gets reimbursed and never gets stuck with the bills. In case of recklessness, the company can try to get money back from its employees.
LOL, their is no separation of the two, individuals share a greater reponsibilty to follow the law than society as a collective.Sounds like an American attitude to me (no offense), a lot of focus on the individual, very little to no focus on society.
exactly, the law and the penalties reflect that. In this case the moron on the bike is getting that lesson and hopefully the rest take note.I am not saying the individual is without fault or responsibility. I'm saying that it makes a difference whether you are a traffic participant in a commercial context or a private context — a taxi driver is different from you driving your car to the grocery store
Lets say you are driving between campuses at a high rate of speed in your 911 (cause Porsches are designed to be driven fast, which from a company in a nanny state like Gernmany is not very socially concious, no offense ) and you smash into a parked car, do you think the university is liable? I would say not. anyways I have to go and make some money, cheers !I'm saying that if there is a victim (in case of speeding there isn't) and someone was on the clock, the company should be liable for that
Which is one of the issues with the gig economy: companies shirk a whole host of taxes and other responsibilities. IMHO while on the job pilots and couriers should be covered by their employer.contractors aren't employees. Contractors should however have their own insurance and in Tokyo I'm pretty sure cycle insurance is mandatory.
I don't think it is that simple, because it stops short of looking at the bigger picture.LOL, their is no separation of the two, individuals share a greater reponsibilty to follow the law than society as a collective.
Ok, I have no clue about Japanese law, so I can't talk about what the legal situation is here. But I reckon there is a difference between civil and criminal liability just like anywhere else I have been. Where to place this case, I don't know. I can do something unwise and not commit a crime. E. g. I could be inattentive because I am changing the radio station and cause an accident where someone dies. Or a child can run onto the road in between cars. That doesn't automatically mean I have committed a criminal offense.exactly, the law and the penalties reflect that. In this case the moron on the bike is getting that lesson and hopefully the rest take note.
First of all, yes, please tell my employer that I need a Porsche as a perk! I'd appreciate that very muchLets say you are driving between campuses at a high rate of speed in your 911 (cause Porsches are designed to be driven fast, which from a company in a nanny state like Gernmany is not very socially concious, no offense ) and you smash into a parked car, do you think the university is liable? I would say not. anyways I have to go and make some money, cheers !